| Forum |
| Forum Home » Surfing Forum » Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork |
| Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Enygma Thu 11 Feb 2010 16:41 
|
Thanks to Pearse from bigsurf.ie for sending this on.
Click here to see the proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork. Comments welcome |
|
Well that's just, like, your opinion man |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
rimmer Fri 12 Feb 2010 04:09 
|
What a load of c*ck. So if some spanner decides to swim in amongst a load of surfers the surfers have to feck off. Screw that. Those piggies will have to catch me first. They'll never take me alive....
Prohibited Acts: Surf Boards, Kite Boards and Sail Boards No person shall wind-surf on sail boards or kite-surf on kite boards or surf on a surf board in close proximity to bathers. |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
kon111 Fri 12 Feb 2010 04:25 
|
They sure do not make it easy to read do they! Maybe someone with bit more lawyer's training could dumb it down for some of us (me)or something.
What I get from it is that there are no more beach parties, camp fires, beach soccer etc... With regards to swimmers, I think the most affected from surfers point of would be Gtown, lots of people there during the summer, on the high tide, good swell and a sunny day, the break is pushed up right to the shore where all the swimmers are splashing about. |
|
What is this...."pun"..... you speak of? |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
rimmer Fri 12 Feb 2010 04:55
|
I know the thrust of the bit I posted above is that you don't surf in an area where a load of people are swimming. Fair enough. But it annoys me the way swimmers have been given identified as the ones who's rights have to be respected here. The only people at most of these beaches 9 months of the year are surfers. Surely they should have some rights and not only be identified in the "thou shalt not" section. That's enough thinking about this for today. I'll only be gettin all riled up. :-) |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Enygma Fri 12 Feb 2010 05:57
|
I think it would make more sense to stop swimmers/bathers from swimming in surf zones. Or perhaps a blackball system like they've got in the states.
To be honest, I think if someones dumb enough to swim out amongst 20 kooks, each of which have 8ft of fiberglass in their hands, then they deserve what they get. If only I was in charge... |
|
Well that's just, like, your opinion man |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
burnsie Fri 12 Feb 2010 07:12 
|
Its even worse than the above posts say. Swimming includes fishing in the definition section. Sosome guy hurling 6oz of lead at over 100 mph has rights over the 6 yo kid on his bodyboard.
The kid on his body board cannot go into the water accompanied by a adult without a board and cannot do so in the safe zone and so is banished to the dangerous parts of the beach. There is no discretion provided to the lifeguard or Garda in applying this. There is no mention of parties or alcohol in the draft. Much of the legislation is to be welcomed, however it is ill thought out and in some respects unenforceable. Thats from a quick scan. I'll print it out and digest it over the next few days and try and interpret it. The council needs to be provided with a workable draft for the relevant sections. This should deal with a duty of care of beach users and the use of lifeguard flagged areas at surfing beaches, blackballing etc. Its a pity we dont have a club |
|
---0-0-0-> Give waves get Karma <-0-0-0--- |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
gerryk Fri 12 Feb 2010 10:55 
|
give them garrylucas. problem solved.
Seriously though, this would be impossible to enforce. |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Hynser Sat 13 Feb 2010 00:23 
|
Hi Guys.
This has been on the table many years. You have until March 13th to lodge your submissions. The address is on the document. Burnsie raised a very important point. The draft does nothing to curtail all the anti social behaviour at the beaches particularly after dark, darg racing, bonfires in sensitive dune areas and the resultant littering. Send your thoughts in! I do not believe these by laws in whichever form they are passed will stand before Autumn.After consultation there is a number of processes which they have to go through. I have done a good bit of work on this subject and while there is no doubt by laws are required to deal with certain issues. But it does send out a very negative vibe towards healthy outdoor activity that benefits the welfare of our nation. Bylaws are already in place in many other coastal counties.Some of them are more severe than this draft. Again, send in your feedback! |
|
hmmmm, lost for words! |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
burnsie Sat 13 Feb 2010 02:08
|
I agree Jon the focus is on identifying an exhaustive list of activities that MAY cause a problem rather than making the causing of a problem an offence.
i.e legislating for something that may never happen rather than creating an offence when something happens. You will note that there is no mention of kayaks or canoes, so they can be used among swimmers. The definition of surfing used only applies to surfing in the whitewater. Surfing a green wave, the person is propelled by gravity and user energy, wave energy does not propel the board, so the thats no problem for us. The freke is mentioned so swimmers will have priority, yet there are loads of signs saying no swimming. My view is that swimmers should have exclusive use of flagged areas on guarded beaches during lifeguard season. However lifeguards should have discretion to approve foam boards for use in these areas. Thus allowing the kids with the bodyboards to play in safety. |
|
---0-0-0-> Give waves get Karma <-0-0-0--- |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
bof Mon 15 Feb 2010 03:13 
|
Its all academic anyway. It will never be enforced even if it passes into law |
|
Don't put your foot up there, your sister will bite it. |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Enygma Mon 15 Feb 2010 07:22
|
I wouldn't be so quick to say that bof, the laws may not be enforceable on the spot but they do setup a framwork to apportion blame after an incident has occured.
Imagine a situation where a bather swims into the surf zone and gets injured by a surfboard. In line with normal surfing ettiquette none of us would ever do something so stupid, and if we did I'd like to think we'd accept responsibility for our actions, like responsible, rational human beings. However, if there's a written law that says surfers shouldn't be anywhere near bathers then it's clear as day in the eyes of the law who's in the wrong. It's written there in black and white! The fact is, with these new by-laws, it doesn't really matter who's right or who's wrong. The law clearly says the surfer shouldn't have been there, therefore the surfer was in the wrong. Anyone who has ever been to court will know, when you go to court you might not get justice, but you will get the law. |
|
Well that's just, like, your opinion man |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
localsurf Mon 15 Feb 2010 13:32 
|
Will read it and will get back to you. |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
andiss Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:35
|
I dont see any issue of these bye laws, the reasons why:
1. Dune erosion, rubbish are problems as more and more people are going to the beach. 2. Permission requirements to run surf schools, events and etc will strenghten the position of serious providers. 3. Bathers/swimmers ALWAYS have right of way. The good thing here is that i can swim out in at any break and tell all surfturkeys to f-off or i'll call the gardai... mohahahahahahahahaha |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
high pockets Fri 19 Feb 2010 15:17 
|
Now thats the kind of outside the box thinking we need!! |
|
We KILL Kooks! JAZZ THE GLASS!! |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Alef Tue 09 Mar 2010 07:23 
|
Apparently other stakeholders that are likely to be affected by this are a bit more organised than the surfing community and are furiously writing to their local councillors at this very moment...
After reading the draft, I'm inclined to agree with Enygma that this is mostly about liability in an accident situation. However, it is still a ham fisted attempt at dealing with the situation and makes a mockery of all those ads promoting Cork as an outdoors destination. It therefore gives me great pleasure to provide you all with the details of the councillors behind this monumental piece of gobhawkism. Please feel free to badger them into submission. Cllr.Christopher O'Sullivan Contact Details: 'Hillside' Tawnies, Clonakilty, County Cork. Home: 023 33 465 Work: 023 33 465 Mobile: 087-9016534 Party: Independent Cllr Veronica Neville Contact Details: Old Bank House, South Main Street, Bandon, County Cork. Home: 023 41308 Work: 023 41040 Mobile: 087 2324327 Fax: 023 43554 Party: Fine Gael. Cllr Kevin Murphy Contact Details: Winstmills, Killaney, Kinsale, Co. Cork. Home: 021 477 2590 Work: 021 477 2590 Mobile: 087 241 7843 Fax: 021 477 2590 Party: Fine Gael. Cllr Dermot Sheehan Contact Details: Main Street, Goleen, County Cork. Home: 028 35236 Work: 027 51090 Mobile: 086 8585335 Fax: 028 35755 Party: Fine Gael. Cllr Mary Hegarty Contact Details: Hillcrest, Ard Na Gaoithe, Bantry, County Cork. Home: 027 50501 Work: Mobile: 086 3054862 Fax: Party: Fine Gael. Cllr Noel Harrington Contact Details: Post Office, Castletownbere, County Cork. Home: 027 71000 Work: 027 70001 Mobile: 086 856 7178 Fax: 027 71000 Email: noel.harrington@corkcoco.ie Party: Fine Gael. Cllr Patrick Gerrard Murphy Contact Details: Brambles Cottage, Ballickey, Bantry, County Cork. Home: Work: 027 51027 Email: patmurph@eircom.net Cllr John Mulvihill Contact Details: Tay Road, Cobh, County Cork. Home: 021 481 3677 Mobile: 087 255 0232 Fax: 021 481 3677 Party: Labour. Cllr Aindrias Moynihan Contact Details: Railway View, Macroom, County Cork. Work: 026 43 937 Mobile: 086 222 9165 Fax: 026 43 938 Party: Fianna Fáil. Cllr Derry Canty Contact Details: 24 Beech Road, Muskerry Estate, Ballincollig, County Cork. Home: 021 487 1383 Mobile: 086 243 6795 Fax: 021 487 1383 Party: Fine Gael. |
|
Death...it's a bit of a worry |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Hynser Tue 09 Mar 2010 13:19
|
Hi Alef.
Useful info but just to clarify, Cllr Kevin Murphy is vehemently opposed to many elements of the draft bye laws so I think it would be unfair to portray him as promoting them. In fact he is also a board member of the West Cork Development partnership which provides funding to many valuable tourism projects. In my experience Kevin has done an awful lot for Garrettstown over the years. Likewise Cllr Alan Coleman has a very favourable attitude not just to the surfers stance but also the large group of people opposing the proposed draft bye laws. You have less than a week to send in your written submissions. Strength in numbers folks. |
|
hmmmm, lost for words! |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Alef Wed 10 Mar 2010 03:48
|
The following link should make it easier to submit objections for anyone who wishes to do so. It should take no more than 5 minutes.
http://www.westcorktoday.com/bbl.php Don't assume that someone else will take care of this. Remember...bad things happen when good people do nothing. |
|
Death...it's a bit of a worry |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
rimmer Wed 10 Mar 2010 08:27
|
Nice one Alef. No excuses not to sumit objections now. Couldn't be easier. |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
cooneyrenegade Wed 10 Mar 2010 08:35
|
Hey,
I got involved in this discussion on boards.ie and submitted my thoughts to that westcorktoday website as well. I agree with Enygma. If someone gets hit by a surfer, even if its accidental or the swimmers fault the surfer will be in the wrong and liable for costs such as injuries, etc. The swimmers are gettin too many rights and theres none for other water users. I agree that its painting a bleak picture for activities on the beaches, Failte Ireland have just launched their new holiday advertising campaign with a focus on staying at home and enjoying the activities here...they really focus on surfing in their new adverts with the sogan 'The Fun Starts Here' and now the Councils come with these by-laws giving us no rights! http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0223/1224265037484.html |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
Hynser Thu 11 Mar 2010 00:08
|
The fun starts here alright! |
|
hmmmm, lost for words! |
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
plopper Thu 11 Mar 2010 01:17
|
The lesson being, if you take a gouge out a swimmer, catch the next one in and leggit! |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
dmg Thu 11 Mar 2010 03:43
|
Thanks Alef, used the westcorktoday link to register some thoughts...don't agree with the wording on the prohibited acts: Surfing - in relation to basically bathers are right no matter what idiotic thing they do. Follow the US and Aussie system where there are zoned areas patrolled by the lifeguards. Ok, so it might make for very crowded situations in the likes of Garretstown but at least both groups hold individual responsibility and there's no excuse for misunderstanding - I just see a lot of early morning and late evening surfs over the summer :-) |
|
|
|
| Re: Proposed Beach By-Laws for Cork | |
|
rimmer Thu 06 May 2010 02:34
|
Anyone know the latest on this? Just wondering if there was any feedback on the objections sent in. Don't know if it's at all beaches in the area but I did notice two ominous looking metal poles (like the poles used to erect (he he) signs with bye laws on them) at one of the listed beaches. |
|
|
|